[nesfa-reading-group] I signed up for a personal Zoom account.

Sun Apr 12 15:13:20 EDT 2020

I meant to include these links:

https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362603-What-Are-the-Host-Controls-

https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/206330935-Enabling-and-Adding-a-Co-Host

So, if I understand it, the account holder can start a meeting, and assign someone else as co-host. The host must remain logged in for the rest of the meeting, but they do not have to pay attention. At the end of the meeting, the host needs to be notified to end the meeting.

I don’t know if the co-host needs to have an account. I have the free account which limits meetings I host to 40 minutes.

-Wes

“Ornithology is not a bird

On April 12, 2020 at 2:20 PM, "David G. Grubbs" <dggrubbs at gmail.com> wrote:

I hunted around a bit and I can't find anything like that.  What I read was that a co-host has to be able to be a "host", which requires a Zoom Account.  It may be a Free account, but I thought I read -- and I can't find it now -- that turning over hosting requires either a license with multiple hosts, which I don't have, or another person with an account that lets them be a host for a normal meeting (i.e. one that is not limited to 40 minutes).

But we'll find out with experiments.

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 2:00 PM Wesley Brodsky via reading-group <reading-group at lists.nesfa.org> wrote:

“Host controls allow you as the host to control various aspects of a Zoom meeting, such as managing the participants. The co-host feature allows the host to share hosting privileges with another user, allowing the co-host to manage the administrative side of the meeting, such as managing participants or starting/stopping the recording. The host must assign a co-host. There is no limitation on the number of co-hosts you can have in a meeting or webinar.”

So, what I think that means is the host is needed to start a meeting, I suppose they cannot leave the meeting before it is over. The host can assign an unlimited number of co-hosts; who have many of the meeting controls the host has. 

On April 12, 2020 at 1:08 PM, "David G. Grubbs" <dggrubbs at gmail.com> wrote:

Unfortunately, an individual account starts with one host and can only transfer hosting to another person with a "Pro" license (if I read it right -- we can experiment). It is certain that the account only allows one host at a time -- it would double the price to add a second host (and triple for a third).

Only the owner of the license can send out an invitation -- again, if I read it right, which is why I wanted to experiment.

I may have time later today and will certainly have time in the next few evenings to experiment.  After I subject my wife to some experiments here for my own satisfaction/learning, I'll suggest something further.  I see from the next message (which showed up while I was typing this), that David W. is willing to help test.

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 12:12 PM Louis Galvez III <boogalouis at gmail.com> wrote:

I think Zoom works better overall. I’d rather use it. 

What I’d like to know is:
If you can’t make a meeting, can anyone else start a meeting? Can anyone else start a meeting before you arrive? (Can you select a co-host before the meeting starts?)

These aren’t deal killers, I’m just interested in knowing.

In the worst case, you can’t make a meeting, we could shift to jitsi for that meeting.  

Louis

The bastard child of absurdity and the sublime. 

Sent from Snoopy, my other iThing

On Apr 12, 2020, at 11:12 AM, David G. Grubbs <dggrubbs at gmail.com> wrote:

Just to the Reading Group.  Louis -- your choice.  Jit.si seemed to work OK.  I'll play with Zoom and we could see if that works for me, with a few of you at some point before May 1st.

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 11:08 AM David G. Grubbs <dggrubbs at gmail.com> wrote:

I signed up for Zoom. I thought some of you might want to know some of what I just found out.

(Side note to those who heard me talk about the MIT Zoom license that Rick Kovalcik and Richard Duffy have access to. It doesn't seem available to me. I didn't really expect it, but I thought it might be possible since I have the same legacy account as they do, and I was one of the people who actually set up the MIT connection to what was to become "the Internet" in the early 1980s.  I thought I might be still connected in some way.)

I paid for a personal Zoom account that will allow one host (which is enough for a small meeting) and up to 100 participants.  I can afford it for now and I looked carefully at a lot of details.  I can cancel at any time, for one thing.  Another thing I looked at is the uproar over security.

Because Zoom was suddenly in the forefront of video conferencing services, they received a lot of attention. Several "security watchdogs" dove in and attacked the system. They found several problems, but every one of them has been fixed (according to the watchdogs themselves -- who went on to say that *other* conferencing systems might still have problems in the areas they found).

Zoom has something like 75,000 large corporate clients who use Zoom all over the world. Those companies also pushed Zoom to improve in all sorts of areas and they responded to make their platform, in my opinion, unlikely to be any worse than anything else. All other choices would be at the same level of trustworthiness as Zoom, or *less*. If you are simply wary of video-conferencing, then don't participate. Otherwise, Zoom seems to be robust and one of the best of its kind.

They say in absolute terms that they do not sell personal information. Any noise about that is due to leaking from (apparently fixed) bugs in the system, not intentional plans to use personal info.

So, I'll practice a bit so I can set up small meetings if that becomes a need. My setup *could* support a NESFA meeting, if something went wrong with Richard's setup, but I'm not suggesting that. I was thinking more of the Reading Group, or other things I do for NESFA such as the NESFA Press group, or the web-committee, or board meetings (if Richard is pre-occupied), or . . .

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